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Just what is the form on pronouncing this abbreviation now? My `68 Fowler MEU states that the `general` pronunciation is `namely`, and to pronounce it as it appears to be written is a solecism, in...

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The 1993 _Columbia Guide to Standard American English_ says the same thing. (www.bartleby.com/68/96/6396.html) I suspect this one is too much of a scholarly word for the masses to have their way with...

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> pronouncing it "viz" would be somewhat like> pronouncing "etc." as "ets". But ... but ... isn't that how it's pronounced??

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I've never heard it pronounced as anything less than the full phrase.

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I think he was being sarcastic.Me, I'm still trying to figger out what to do with "vis-a-vis"....

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>I think he was being sarcastic.Ironic, perhaps, but not sarcastic.

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I confess to being a coward. I always skirt round it by saying "namely".As for vis a vis - the pronciation never did make any sense to me, but then I'm just one of yer average northern lasses.

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I say "namely" also. For the pronunciation of vis a vis, viz. _veez ah vee_, I always assumed (or perhaps learned in high school French) that the first s is pronounced because it is immediately...

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much like we (in the U.S., anyway) alter our pronunciation of "the" before words starting with a vowel. We do? I've never heard that before. On the West Coast we say the animal, or the mammal and we...

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We do?I don't know what west coast you're on, but it seems to me that 99% of the population pronounces it "thee" before a vowel. Well, maybe 95%...I seem to recall the usage you mention on Springer...

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But it was, wg!

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Maybe it is an east cost of US thing, but, as wordgeek wrote, I would pronounce "the animal" as "thee animal", but "the mammal". Saying "the animal" would necessitate a glottal stop (Is that what it's...

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> Maybe it is an east cost of US thing, but, as wordgeek wrote, I would pronounce "the animal" as "thee animal", but "the mammal". Saying "the animal" would necessitate a glottal stop (Is that what...

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We use thee/the in exactly the same fashion over here in the UK, ie thee apple, the car, and when emphasizing, ie `that`s thee car for fast drivers`, so I agree, it has nothing to do with locality,...

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I certainly do this, but can't recall ever having heard it enunciated as a rule in English class (it is given as the standard pronunciation in the OED, though). I think it's one of those things that...

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This was most definitely given to me as a grammar rule somewhere back around 2d grade. But I was already doing it naturally by that point anyways.

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Technically, it wouldn't be a "grammar" rule. It's a phonetic or pronunciation rule.

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